Another Attack in LIC
Up to Neighborhood Discussion
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[quote]Originally posted by poshua on Aug 1, 2007 1:34 pm GMT-5:
[quote]Originally posted by charlie on Jul 31, 2007 8:33 pm GMT-5:
It was not so long ago, that Hunters Point was so safe (or at least it seemed that way), that anyone's grandmother could walk the streets at 3:00 in the morning, with her purse open, and not be bothered.
With all the new development and meteoric population growth (as compared to the area's historic population growth/loss), it seems that criminal elements looking to exploit the situation, would soon follow. This is all the more reason for the community to get organized.
Oh, and by the way, these statements have nothing in particular to do with the recent assault, reffered to in this thread.
Just some thoughts.
Charlie. [/quote]
Let's not be alarmist here. The idea that new development, especially of the upscale variety that LIC is seeing, brings "criminal elements" is not borne out by the simultaneous surge and development and drop in crime that NYC has seen in the last decade.[/quote]
An alarmist? No. A realist? Yea.
It's the numbers which have yet to be" borne out", not the idea. The idea itself, is simply a reflection of history. Being that it takes people to commit crimes; a rise in population, historically speaking, will see a rise in crime. How much of a rise depends on a number of factors.
Anyway, it's more of a statement of how things can change. It's also a statement and reminder (as I've said many times before), to Hunters Point residents, to get organized and to help protect their community. If a neighborhood gets organized, and makes efforts to curtail, as much as possible, potential threats which might gain a foothold; then it will reduce the chances of having to deal with it after it becomes established, which by then might possibly be a much bigger problem/threat. Organization and cooperation is how a neighborhood becomes a community.
Now, citywide drops in crime, according to the statistics which are released by the city, may not apply to every neighborhood. Some neighborhoods may see a rise, whereas most others will see a drop, hence the overall drop. In additon if statistics are lumped toghter as a whole, then that would disguise individual crime numbers. For example: while murder and arson numbers may be unchanged, and rapes, property damage, break-ins, grand theft auto, domestic violence, and turnstile hopping may significantly drop, a rise in muggings or purse snatching may get lost in the numbers.
If you attend the monthly Community Council meetings, the individual crime statistics for the neighborhood are (or at least, used to be) quoted at every meeting. If for some reason they are no longer quoted, then stand up and request that it be so. Another reason to attend the meetings is that the neighborhood publications such as the Queens Chronicle, Gazette, Astoria Times, and others, usually have representatives present. If anyone should bring up anything that the papers think is worthy, then it will get into the monthly article(s) on the meeting. That, and the recorded meeting minutes are how you hold the precinct and representatives responsible.
Just some more thoughts.
Charlie.
[quote]Originally posted by charlie on Jul 31, 2007 8:33 pm GMT-5:
It was not so long ago, that Hunters Point was so safe (or at least it seemed that way), that anyone's grandmother could walk the streets at 3:00 in the morning, with her purse open, and not be bothered.
With all the new development and meteoric population growth (as compared to the area's historic population growth/loss), it seems that criminal elements looking to exploit the situation, would soon follow. This is all the more reason for the community to get organized.
Oh, and by the way, these statements have nothing in particular to do with the recent assault, reffered to in this thread.
Just some thoughts.
Charlie. [/quote]
Let's not be alarmist here. The idea that new development, especially of the upscale variety that LIC is seeing, brings "criminal elements" is not borne out by the simultaneous surge and development and drop in crime that NYC has seen in the last decade.[/quote]
An alarmist? No. A realist? Yea.
It's the numbers which have yet to be" borne out", not the idea. The idea itself, is simply a reflection of history. Being that it takes people to commit crimes; a rise in population, historically speaking, will see a rise in crime. How much of a rise depends on a number of factors.
Anyway, it's more of a statement of how things can change. It's also a statement and reminder (as I've said many times before), to Hunters Point residents, to get organized and to help protect their community. If a neighborhood gets organized, and makes efforts to curtail, as much as possible, potential threats which might gain a foothold; then it will reduce the chances of having to deal with it after it becomes established, which by then might possibly be a much bigger problem/threat. Organization and cooperation is how a neighborhood becomes a community.
Now, citywide drops in crime, according to the statistics which are released by the city, may not apply to every neighborhood. Some neighborhoods may see a rise, whereas most others will see a drop, hence the overall drop. In additon if statistics are lumped toghter as a whole, then that would disguise individual crime numbers. For example: while murder and arson numbers may be unchanged, and rapes, property damage, break-ins, grand theft auto, domestic violence, and turnstile hopping may significantly drop, a rise in muggings or purse snatching may get lost in the numbers.
If you attend the monthly Community Council meetings, the individual crime statistics for the neighborhood are (or at least, used to be) quoted at every meeting. If for some reason they are no longer quoted, then stand up and request that it be so. Another reason to attend the meetings is that the neighborhood publications such as the Queens Chronicle, Gazette, Astoria Times, and others, usually have representatives present. If anyone should bring up anything that the papers think is worthy, then it will get into the monthly article(s) on the meeting. That, and the recorded meeting minutes are how you hold the precinct and representatives responsible.
Just some more thoughts.
Charlie.
Off by a factor of 6, Smokey, unless you use Rosie O' as a source:>
Also in the very recent past we have lost as many in the military to accidents in a year as we have recently to combat in Iraq. In fact, in some years, we've lost 2 to 3 times more to accidents than we have to hostile action in Iraq: http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3609
"For instance, from 1980 to 1989 the military averaged 2,123 deaths a year. Most from accidents (375 from hostile or terrorist activity). In 1991, 1,787 died on military duty. Of those 147 were KIA in the Gulf War.
In 2003 we suffered 1,410 military deaths, of which, 560 were a result of hostile action. In 2004 it was 1,887, of which 565 were a result of hostile action."
As to the cost of the war, $300 Billion was the amount of money Americans gave to charity in 2006. $90 Billion was the amount of money spent each year on the war since 2003. What is it that Americans have sacrificed monetarily for this war that they cannot now give any more?
Don't let emotion get in the way of facts!
Also in the very recent past we have lost as many in the military to accidents in a year as we have recently to combat in Iraq. In fact, in some years, we've lost 2 to 3 times more to accidents than we have to hostile action in Iraq: http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=3609
"For instance, from 1980 to 1989 the military averaged 2,123 deaths a year. Most from accidents (375 from hostile or terrorist activity). In 1991, 1,787 died on military duty. Of those 147 were KIA in the Gulf War.
In 2003 we suffered 1,410 military deaths, of which, 560 were a result of hostile action. In 2004 it was 1,887, of which 565 were a result of hostile action."
As to the cost of the war, $300 Billion was the amount of money Americans gave to charity in 2006. $90 Billion was the amount of money spent each year on the war since 2003. What is it that Americans have sacrificed monetarily for this war that they cannot now give any more?
Don't let emotion get in the way of facts!
What is racist about my comments? I was told that the attackers were hispanic. If they were illegal, they should not have been in the country - hispanic or not. If they were citizens, race is not a factor!
We are a Constitutional Republic, based on the rule of law. Which laws should we choose to ignore? I agree that most murders are comitted by those close to the victim - but many are not - a few exceptions listed in the URL below.
I agree that many illegals have a positive impact on America, however in a post 9/11 world, I would feel safer knowing who is crossing the border.
We are a Constitutional Republic, based on the rule of law. Which laws should we choose to ignore? I agree that most murders are comitted by those close to the victim - but many are not - a few exceptions listed in the URL below.
I agree that many illegals have a positive impact on America, however in a post 9/11 world, I would feel safer knowing who is crossing the border.
[quote]Originally posted by larryd on Aug 2, 2007 9:05 am GMT-5:
What is racist about my comments? I was told that the attackers were hispanic. If they were illegal, they should not have been in the country - hispanic or not. If they were citizens, race is not a factor!
We are a Constitutional Republic, based on the rule of law. Which laws should we choose to ignore? I agree that most murders are comitted by those close to the victim - but many are not - a few exceptions listed in the URL below.
I agree that many illegals have a positive impact on America, however in a post 9/11 world, I would feel safer knowing who is crossing the border.[/quote]
Give it up, larryd: We know you ogle O'Reilly on the Factor every weeknight...
What is racist about my comments? I was told that the attackers were hispanic. If they were illegal, they should not have been in the country - hispanic or not. If they were citizens, race is not a factor!
We are a Constitutional Republic, based on the rule of law. Which laws should we choose to ignore? I agree that most murders are comitted by those close to the victim - but many are not - a few exceptions listed in the URL below.
I agree that many illegals have a positive impact on America, however in a post 9/11 world, I would feel safer knowing who is crossing the border.[/quote]
Give it up, larryd: We know you ogle O'Reilly on the Factor every weeknight...